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Post by The FER on Jun 7, 2012 7:57:06 GMT -5
I'm currently checking in to one of my Businesses to make it my most popular 'local' business. It was zero two days ago and it's up to 53 now. I've done about 60-65 check ins and the pop dropped overnight back into the 40s. God knows why as I'm probably the only person in the world with this business!
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Post by Grateful Ed on Jun 7, 2012 9:42:49 GMT -5
So far my conclusion on this topic is... It is inconclusive. There are obviously WAY too many variables that go into this. After my check ins on my top 5, my pop raised the expected +1. Then I received some franchises. They raised the +20 for that. Then later at night, the numbers were all out of whack! My quick jumped from #12 to #3, and some of the others dropped 800-500. Who knows?!
This is gonna take a freakin database/spreadsheet/more-than-a-pencil approach. I'll keep workin and playin with it.
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Post by Raven on Jun 7, 2012 10:19:27 GMT -5
This is gonna take a freakin database/spreadsheet/more-than-a-pencil approach. I'll keep workin and playin with it.
Grateful Ed
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Lol toooo funny esp. after your RL comment last evening!!!!
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Post by Amstel Bear Hugs on Jun 7, 2012 14:34:03 GMT -5
So far my conclusion on this topic is... It is inconclusive. There are obviously WAY too many variables that go into this. After my check ins on my top 5, my pop raised the expected +1. Then I received some franchises. They raised the +20 for that. Then later at night, the numbers were all out of whack! My quick jumped from #12 to #3, and some of the others dropped 800-500. Who knows?! This is gonna take a freakin database/spreadsheet/more-than-a-pencil approach. I'll keep workin and playin with it. Grateful Ed ID# 38141928 Grateful- You are so right. Another variable that at least I didn't realize until it hit me today, is in the check-in, underneath all your businesses, there are the "near by" businesses. So even if you have a business that is low in pop and you are not "checking-in", there are othere people checking them. This could be for several reasons. If I am in another location and the game forgets where I am, I just hit one of those. The other reason can be for the game center achievements. They want you to check in to a local business, and say all yours are not in your area. And then there is the plain old "oops" factor. Raven- We can put you in charge of keeping the database/spreadsheet and keep all the statisics in order for us!! (Kidding!!) |
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Post by Joe on Jun 7, 2012 15:14:53 GMT -5
I had a fair number of Check-ins laying around and was slightly bored so I figured I would play the numbers game...
I took my lowest pop Business:
Randall's Food Market
78 Popularity
796 Check-Ins
3631 Jobs
I then dropped 200 Check-ins onto it. Each Check-in contributed one extra Popularity for a finish at:
Randall's Food Market
278 Popularity
996 Check-Ins
3631 Jobs
200 Check-ins = 200 Popularity
(at least in the short-term)
I tried the same tack with a decent business (Nintendo World) to determine if there were diminishing returns but it ended up with the same +200 popularity. Of course, the affect on coins per job is affected by diminishing returns so +200 Popularity is much more tangible to a Business with 78 pop than one with ~23k but both businesses saw the same pop-per-checkin.
Anyhoo...I will be curious how long it will take for that 200 popularity to get wiped out. I am guessing I will be back to normal by tomorrow or the day following...
Side note: I know another Mayor in the area with the same business. When I go to their town, the Popularity registers as 86 (8 higher than my starting value). When I click on their Business, it briefly flashes that "86" before it updates to the 276 that I am showing. I imagine that another Mayor coming to my town would see a number much lower than 276...
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Post by Snibull on Jun 7, 2012 19:44:34 GMT -5
Only looking at market pop, I franchised CLT airport from Ya Phyl Me: Original pop: 461 New pop from franchise: 481 I did 10 checkins, new pop: 489 (Shame on you booyah!) I did 10 checkins, new pop: 499 Checked before bed, new pop: 496 Let servers update overnight, new pop: 467 or 464 (I have 2 screenshots so they could've been minutes apart) Did 10 checkins midmorning, new pop at noon: 433 Did 10 checkins midafternoon, new pop: 425 Deleted franchise, waited an hour, new pop: 424 I don't know if it's more market fluctuation or check-in related. My personal pop fluctuated but not to the extreme the market pop did. Personal pop: started at 461 After 40 checkins and 2 possible server updates (night and day) ended at 470. Not a loss, but not 1:1 either. I wonder if I deleted it before the market pop plummeted to 433 and the servers updated again. Definitely puzzling. I can't say that checkins caused the pop drop, but there is that potential. Then again, just opening MT2 has the potential to lower your stats... User beware... Hahaha  Snibull 30719277 |
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Post by Joe on Jun 7, 2012 19:58:17 GMT -5
It's been a long day. There was a point to me doing all of those Check-Ins in my previous post: reproduce the "danger" of the Check-Ins screen. I chose that business partially because it was my lowest pop business and partially due to its proximity to my house. By default, the Check-Ins screen pulls up the closest 20 or so businesses. Randall's is far enough away that it won't show up in that screen until I search for it.
When I got home from work, here were my stats:
Randall's Food Market
Check-Ins: 997
Popularity: 282
Jobs: 3644
Popularity bumped up a couple over the course of the day just from doing jobs.
At any rate, I open up the Check-Ins screen, search for "Randall's" and it immediately drops:
Popularity: 266
It appears that the Check-Ins screen does some sort of "Forced Refresh"….it probably would have naturally drifted back to 266 by the overnight reset…(actually, it will probably dirt lower by then).
Before the big popularity patch, I had a few businesses that were 1k-2k and accidentally reset them back into double-digits with the Check-Ins screen. Now that "Personal Popularity" doesn't consistently grow and is more frequently normalized, I don't think it is as pronounced. Moreover, with the addition of the Check-in button on the new Jobs Dialog, I don't think there is really a reason to go into the Check-ins screen anymore.
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Post by jonniva on Jun 7, 2012 21:56:43 GMT -5
If you go to menu/social/explore, you will get a list of towns near wherever booyah thinks you are. If you have location services on, it will be towns physically nearby. But if you have location services off, and you have used the method to "travel" where you manually enter your location, then you get towns in that city - and different towns from day to day.
You can use this method instead of check-ins to reset your location. I validated this many times during the NYNY challenge. I had to do this about every 10-15 minutes in order to purchase with coin not green bucks. I never turned on location services after I relocated to las vegas, so I had no other place associated with my town. It just forgets even tho Vegas towns still show up.
So my question is, does that method produce different results than using checkins for the same purpose? Presumably, the explore method is just locating towns and isn't updating any biz pop. Not until you open a town and then stats, would it fetch biz pop, and that seems to be the local/personal value, although I don't have a way to verify. When you open a biz from the handshake, it fetches a pop value from somewhere that most likely will be different.
In any event, this is a way to set your location without using a checkin or opening your own stats (which may also change your biz pop).
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Post by Joe on Jun 8, 2012 7:23:43 GMT -5
Looking at the morning-after on Randall's Food Market:
First glance:
Popularity: 261
After searching for it on the Check-Ins Screen:
Popularity: 239
Note: Before I went into the Check-Ins Screen, I went to the other town that I know has this Business and they reflected "239" as the Popularity.
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Post by Snibull on Jun 8, 2012 21:47:32 GMT -5
If you go to menu/social/explore, you will get a list of towns near wherever booyah thinks you are. If you have location services on, it will be towns physically nearby. But if you have location services off, and you have used the method to "travel" where you manually enter your location, then you get towns in that city - and different towns from day to day. You can use this method instead of check-ins to reset your location. I validated this many times during the NYNY challenge. I had to do this about every 10-15 minutes in order to purchase with coin not green bucks. I never turned on location services after I relocated to las vegas, so I had no other place associated with my town. It just forgets even tho Vegas towns still show up. So my question is, does that method produce different results than using checkins for the same purpose? Presumably, the explore method is just locating towns and isn't updating any biz pop. Not until you open a town and then stats, would it fetch biz pop, and that seems to be the local/personal value, although I don't have a way to verify. When you open a biz from the handshake, it fetches a pop value from somewhere that most likely will be different. In any event, this is a way to set your location without using a checkin or opening your own stats (which may also change your biz pop). Jonniva- I have gone to social/explore many times before and always found I needed in bucks. I generally have location services OFF. I came by checking in to get the business in coins by accident. It was before the forum and I had NYC as my second location (didn't have to delete the app). So I wanted to check out what you said. I went to social/explore and found NYC on my list and sure enough the businesses are in coins! It lasted through a couple of towns just to verify, but it worked. And I went to a friend's town that I knew had NYC businesses and it was still in coins. I am amazed! Do you think this was a change during an update as I didn't always find this to be the case (hence the checkin reminder to Booyah)? Thanks for the tip, definitely going to be used. Snibull 30719277 |
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Post by Amstel Bear Hugs on Jun 8, 2012 22:09:22 GMT -5
If you go to menu/social/explore, you will get a list of towns near wherever booyah thinks you are. If you have location services on, it will be towns physically nearby. But if you have location services off, and you have used the method to "travel" where you manually enter your location, then you get towns in that city - and different towns from day to day. You can use this method instead of check-ins to reset your location. I validated this many times during the NYNY challenge. I had to do this about every 10-15 minutes in order to purchase with coin not green bucks. I never turned on location services after I relocated to las vegas, so I had no other place associated with my town. It just forgets even tho Vegas towns still show up. So my question is, does that method produce different results than using checkins for the same purpose? Presumably, the explore method is just locating towns and isn't updating any biz pop. Not until you open a town and then stats, would it fetch biz pop, and that seems to be the local/personal value, although I don't have a way to verify. When you open a biz from the handshake, it fetches a pop value from somewhere that most likely will be different. In any event, this is a way to set your location without using a checkin or opening your own stats (which may also change your biz pop). Jonniva- I have gone to social/explore many times before and always found I needed in bucks. I generally have location services OFF. I came by checking in to get the business in coins by accident. It was before the forum and I had NYC as my second location (didn't have to delete the app). So I wanted to check out what you said. I went to social/explore and found NYC on my list and sure enough the businesses are in coins! It lasted through a couple of towns just to verify, but it worked. And I went to a friend's town that I knew had NYC businesses and it was still in coins. I am amazed! Do you think this was a change during an update as I didn't always find this to be the case (hence the checkin reminder to Booyah)? Thanks for the tip, definitely going to be used. Snibull 30719277 Since I have been changing locations, when it forgets where I am, I used to use the social/explore all the time and it worked. (To get it back to coins.) I stopped doing it that way, and starting using the check-ins, because it takes much longer for the towns to load. It is so much easier just to hit a check-in and besides I have a ton of them. Hope that helped. |
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Post by Snibull on Jun 8, 2012 22:23:38 GMT -5
Amstel, did I read you read some buckaroos?! Congrats . And it isn't often I franchise for coins, but it's good to know both options will work. I just don't know why it didn't before~ one more "don't know" added to the list  Snibull 30719277 |
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Post by Amstel Bear Hugs on Jun 11, 2012 16:58:53 GMT -5
Looking at the morning-after on Randall's Food Market: First glance: Popularity: 261 After searching for it on the Check-Ins Screen: Popularity: 239 Note: Before I went into the Check-Ins Screen, I went to the other town that I know has this Business and they reflected "239" as the Popularity. Hey Joe, Any updates? Sorry, I wasn't responding, but I was listening and still interested in knowing what's going on. Thanks |
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Post by jonniva on Jun 11, 2012 19:56:14 GMT -5
If you go to menu/social/explore, you will get a list of towns near wherever booyah thinks you are. If you have location services on, it will be towns physically nearby. But if you have location services off, and you have used the method to "travel" where you manually enter your location, then you get towns in that city - and different towns from day to day. You can use this method instead of check-ins to reset your location. I validated this many times during the NYNY challenge. I had to do this about every 10-15 minutes in order to purchase with coin not green bucks. I never turned on location services after I relocated to las vegas, so I had no other place associated with my town. It just forgets even tho Vegas towns still show up. So my question is, does that method produce different results than using checkins for the same purpose? Presumably, the explore method is just locating towns and isn't updating any biz pop. Not until you open a town and then stats, would it fetch biz pop, and that seems to be the local/personal value, although I don't have a way to verify. When you open a biz from the handshake, it fetches a pop value from somewhere that most likely will be different. In any event, this is a way to set your location without using a checkin or opening your own stats (which may also change your biz pop). Jonniva- I have gone to social/explore many times before and always found I needed in bucks. I generally have location services OFF. I came by checking in to get the business in coins by accident. It was before the forum and I had NYC as my second location (didn't have to delete the app). So I wanted to check out what you said. I went to social/explore and found NYC on my list and sure enough the businesses are in coins! It lasted through a couple of towns just to verify, but it worked. And I went to a friend's town that I knew had NYC businesses and it was still in coins. I am amazed! Do you think this was a change during an update as I didn't always find this to be the case (hence the checkin reminder to Booyah)? Thanks for the tip, definitely going to be used. Snibull 30719277 Snibull, I don't know the answer. I installed that last update just before the NYNY challenge started - had to when I deleted the game. Since we were trying to boost NYNY popularity, the impact of check-in (and eveything else) was important, but I don't know that we proved anything about check-in, there were so many transactions happening with that biz. I had never paid that much attention before. |
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Post by skyton on Jun 21, 2012 15:19:06 GMT -5
What about when you franchise other people's businesses? I've found that if I franchise a business and then delete and go back, the pop flashes the original low pop before hopping to the new personal high one. But what if I do check ins while I have that business? Do check ins stay with a business?
Experiment
Business Warshall's Sporting something or other
Pop on other person's stats 15
Pop when I franchise it 4
9 check ins added (I recently went on a check in spree, so this is all I got)
Business deleted.
Pop on other persons stats still 15
Pop when I franchise it 33
Would the other person's pop increase with a booyah server update? (or whatever happens on a regular basis) or does it just effect personal popularity? Is it beneficial for robin hoods to add a couple check ins to low pop businesses when they franchise? Or just a waste of time?
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Post by Joe on Jun 22, 2012 21:49:52 GMT -5
Hey Joe, Any updates? Sorry, I wasn't responding, but I was listening and still interested in knowing what's going on. Yeah. Sorry that I didn't update. I just got kind of side-tracked and derailed... Randall's Food Market is indeed my lowest population business again: down to 74 and probably slated for deletion next time I get around to it. Suprisingly, it took about a week to ten days for it to completely bottom out again, consistently losing 20-40 popularity per day. I thought it would drop much faster. In moments of boredom, I am still playing with artificially enhancing the popularity of low-pop businesses. I am currently playing with two scenarios: China Inn CafePopularity: 733 Check-ins: 196 Yesterday's Pop: 904 Delta: -171 China Inn is a restaurant that I get take-out from on a regular basis -- it is very yummy! When I found it in a neighboring mayor's town I decided it would make a suitable candidate (Chache's Town -- 35594895 -- show them some love...they send me gifts every day). You will note that the Check-in count is very low. When I found the business, it had a Pop of like "10". When you franchise a business it gets +20 pop so I repeatedly franchised+deleted it until it reached 1100 before actually building it. I wanted to see how l ong it took for it to reset back to its previous state. It has been 3 days so far. The first day, it lost around 50 pop then 120ish followed by 170 last night. Apple Store Houston GalleriaPopularity: 950 Check-ins: 3666 Yesterday's Pop: 1036 Delta: -86 The Apple Store started off with ~150 pop before I dumped around 1000 Check-ins into it up to 1300 pop. The next day, it had fallen back down to 1000-ish so I dumped another set of check-ins to take it back to 1100. The next day it dropped to 1036 then 950. I wish I had been all scientific-like and tracked it day-by-day but I just wasn't that organized. - The last few days, I have noticed that the "global reset" happens sometime between 8:30pm-10:00pm EST. Somewhere in this timeframe is where the population drop occurs for all of my businesses.
- I noticed a little "trick" with Check-ins. Dump a large number of check-ins into a business then delete and re-install the app. Depending on your timing, you will get most, if not all, of your Check-ins back and it will still show up on the next day. There are a ton of warnings/caveats to this. From what I can tell, the data for your town is stored locally then synced up to the server. Deleting your town and re-installing pulls down the info from the server so you are basically "rolling back" to the last sync. You will lose coins/cash/completed jobs that were earned between the sync and the deletion...but you will get your check-ins back.
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Post by Amstel Bear Hugs on Jun 22, 2012 23:33:41 GMT -5
Hey Joe, Any updates? Sorry, I wasn't responding, but I was listening and still interested in knowing what's going on. Yeah. Sorry that I didn't update. I just got kind of side-tracked and derailed... Randall's Food Market is indeed my lowest population business again: down to 74 and probably slated for deletion next time I get around to it. Suprisingly, it took about a week to ten days for it to completely bottom out again, consistently losing 20-40 popularity per day. I thought it would drop much faster. In moments of boredom, I am still playing with artificially enhancing the popularity of low-pop businesses. I am currently playing with two scenarios: China Inn CafePopularity: 733 Check-ins: 196 Yesterday's Pop: 904 Delta: -171 China Inn is a restaurant that I get take-out from on a regular basis -- it is very yummy! When I found it in a neighboring mayor's town I decided it would make a suitable candidate (Chache's Town -- 35594895 -- show them some love...they send me gifts every day). You will note that the Check-in count is very low. When I found the business, it had a Pop of like "10". When you franchise a business it gets +20 pop so I repeatedly franchised+deleted it until it reached 1100 before actually building it. I wanted to see how l ong it took for it to reset back to its previous state. It has been 3 days so far. The first day, it lost around 50 pop then 120ish followed by 170 last night. Apple Store Houston GalleriaPopularity: 950 Check-ins: 3666 Yesterday's Pop: 1036 Delta: -86 The Apple Store started off with ~150 pop before I dumped around 1000 Check-ins into it up to 1300 pop. The next day, it had fallen back down to 1000-ish so I dumped another set of check-ins to take it back to 1100. The next day it dropped to 1036 then 950. I wish I had been all scientific-like and tracked it day-by-day but I just wasn't that organized. - The last few days, I have noticed that the "global reset" happens sometime between 8:30pm-10:00pm EST. Somewhere in this timeframe is where the population drop occurs for all of my businesses.
- I noticed a little "trick" with Check-ins. Dump a large number of check-ins into a business then delete and re-install the app. Depending on your timing, you will get most, if not all, of your Check-ins back and it will still show up on the next day. There are a ton of warnings/caveats to this. From what I can tell, the data for your town is stored locally then synced up to the server. Deleting your town and re-installing pulls down the info from the server so you are basically "rolling back" to the last sync. You will lose coins/cash/completed jobs that were earned between the sync and the deletion...but you will get your check-ins back.
Hi Joe, This is great information. Thank you for taking the time to write it all out. +1 for you. I personally do not think check-ins hurt the pop at all. I had a low pop business, oddly enough that is standing around 74. I did not do any check-ins, and it continually plummeted. Visited your mayor friend and then of course had to peek in your town. I see you have a bunch from the Galleria area. I used to travel there all the time for business. Stayed at the Marriot Galleria. My favorite place was a little dive bar called Blanco’s. Love that place. Great memories. It has been awhile since I have been back. Thanks |
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Post by Joe on Jun 24, 2012 18:54:22 GMT -5
Visited your mayor friend and then of course had to peek in your town. I saw that! Thank you so much! I am sure that Chache didn't know what to do with the attention... I see you have a bunch from the Galleria area. I used to travel there all the time for business. Stayed at the Marriot Galleria. My favorite place was a little dive bar called Blanco’s. Love that place. Great memories. It has been awhile since I have been back. Thanks The Galleria area is a somewhat affluent neighborhood. Lots of good restaurants and bars. I used to work in the area but I am working downtown now. I personally do not think check-ins hurt the pop at all. I had a low pop business, oddly enough that is standing around 74. I did not do any check-ins, and it continually plummeted. I agree. Check-ins don't hurt a business but it is questionable how much positive value it has for the popularity. Apple Store Houston Galleria was down to 850 yesterday and 799 today. I imagine it will continue a slow bleed for the next week or so. |
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Post by Snibull on Jun 24, 2012 22:40:02 GMT -5
Amstel- are you talking about poor fluffy?! You did a lot of work raising it only for it to keep its fluffy state!
I don't know what hurts popularity or helps it. I just franchised NYNY from someone and it is sitting at 1,619. Wasn't it sitting at the 2nd position just a few weeks ago? In certainty, all the checkins combined don't add up to any (market or personal) popularity. If this were the case, our popularities would equal our checkins and they don't.
In summary- click away if you want to use checkins for leveling up. I still use them for location changing.
Pop drops will remain a mystery, checking in or not.
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Post by Amstel Bear Hugs on Oct 15, 2012 22:25:14 GMT -5
Madmod-
Here is some information on poor Fluffy!!
Franchising someone increases the pop by 20
Doing a check-in will increase the pop by 1
Will find more.
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